Stanley "Tookie" Williams

If you have a few minutes, please take a look at my "shrine" to Tookie.  The
link is http://www.geocities.com/deep_needle.

There, you'll get all the real info on the Damamli Publishing Corporation,
Barbara Becnel's one-woman juggernaut, developed to create an illusion of
legitimacy behind Tookie.

There's even a great Swahili lesson which describes the real Tookie.

-DN
 
No matter how much Mr. Williams has reformed or not,
the purpose of punishment is to punish. Mr. Williams
was sentenced to be punished because his four victims
remain *dead* no matter how much Mr. Williams has
allegedly changed.

It makes me physically ill to see this man held up as
a role model and a "political prisoner." This guy is
no Nelson Mandela.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." -- Thomas Mann
 
Thank you, sir, for reminding us of the real man, the true story of the trial, and, most importantly, of the crimes he committed. That his story has evolved over time, first terrorizing jurors in the courtroom, then leaning on diminished capacity, and finally simply declaring innocence is not the result of "bias" on your part -- it is a simple reporting of history. It is also clear evidence of a guilty man seeking the right tale for his gullible audience.
 
America is a country that believes strongly in redemption. It also recognizes the corrosive effect of poverty and a miserable childhood. Thus we have pity on even the worst amongst us -- and thus the current rush to forget. 
 
But no one should forget the kind of disregard for human beings that Williams expressed in the most heinous of acts back in 1979.
 
No mercy for Tookie is the appropriate position -- whatever the maximum penalty permissible by the state might be.
 

No matter what a man does it can not erase the past. Williams is a murderer and if you do the crime you do the time. If indeed Tookie has redeemed and wants to keep kids from joining gangs and taking the path he led then he should gladly be put to death as an example of what happens when you act like a cold blooded killer.  He shot a woman in the face less then a foot away the severity of the murders shows what Dear ole Stanley Tookie Williams is capable of, and that’s not even looking at the fact he co-founded the Crips one of the most deplorable gangs of the modern day.  

Now I have been to the website of Tookie Williams and there claim that Tookie has kept 150 thousand kids out of gangs is ridicules and un-founded. If indeed this is true lets see these e-mails. Look if I was trying to get clemency for someone I knew had made a huge change I would gladly show all the proof I had. They have been asked by numerous people on the opposing side to show proof of the 150 thousand numbers that they boast and they REFUSE to give proof.  A few testimonials on the web site with no way of checking if they are even real is not going to cut the mustard, not for me any way. Look if you are reading this then do something about Tookie clemency claim Call the Governor.

 

Sir,

I am a member of a National Guard unit who has received warning that there might be riots because of the upcoming execution of Tookie Williams. I am appalled at the amount of support for this man. Perhaps he didn’t kill those 4 people, however, the entity that he has created has killed hundreds more—for that simple fact alone he should die. Tookie is no different that Saddam Hussein, or Bin Laden—who my brothers and sisters in arms are also fighting to protect us from. Should the “average citizens” of America be allowed at S.H. or B.L.  they would rip him to shreds, not only because of his support  and/or leadership of the Al Quaida, but because of the sheer terror they have put our nation in—has Tookie Williams not done the same thing? It is because of this creation of the Crips, and inspiration to create other street gangs that I can’t wear a simple COLOR in certain areas of Los Angeles

This man deserves to die. I don’t care that he has “changed” or that he is trying to be a “role model”…lets make him an example. No matter what “good deeds” you do to try to fix what you did wrong, you will still have to answer to America’s Justice system.

If this man is granted clemency all we are telling today’s youth is that you can do whatever wrong  you want—a few children’s books, and some web sites will redeem you.

Anonymous.

 
I agree with your statement that he is no role model.  I do not think Tookie Williams, or any other criminal can truly redeem themselves in prison.  Its easy feel sorry for your acts in prison and say that you would never do a bad act again, but how many convicts have we heard say they were going to change their life once they get out, and we all know what happens.  Tookie Williams will really show redemption if on the day of his execution he asked that he be executed on live television, he were to get dressed in the crip colors (all Blue, including blue rags) and tell all the young inspiring Crips, "This is what happens when you make a choice to become a gangster," he then should sit down and signal the execution process to start.  This will definetely have more of an effect than childrens books no one has even read. 
 
Don't be Deceived by Stanley "Tookie" Williams (part 3)

It is easy for the self-righteous people who have never had a love one brutally murdered and who are not  survivors of  brutal murder attempts to declare that they believe in forgiveness and oppose the death penalty. These self-righteous people have no right at all to speak for either the victims or the victim's family. Yet they brazenly rally for the murderers when they and the murderers appear to share the same religion, the same political views, belong to the same ethnic group, when they are in a position unlikely to fall victim to those kind of murderers or when they are on death row for murder.

They deceive themselves into believing that their act of opposing the death penalty stems from the concept of forgiveness and higher justice but in depth analysis shows that it actually stems from nepotism, apathy towards the suffering of the innocent victims and un-repentance. They would put forward the absurd claim that putting a murderer to death is murder by ignoring the fact that murderers killed the innocent and the death penalty kills the guilty. They would say that putting a murderer to death by lethal injection is cruel and barbaric but ignore the fact that the victims suffered immensely greater pain when they were being murdered.

It is ignorant if not hypocritical for self-professed Christians to stand against the death penalty as if they are people of peace and forgiveness by ignoring their own bloody history. The inquisition of the medieval  Christian church tortured and killed a lot of innocent people by falsely accusing them of being witches. The early church  also put gay people to death but often ignored sexual transgressions committed by church leaders. During the great plague thousands of innocent Jews were burned to death by ignorant people of the Christian church accusing them of  poisoning the water even though Jews died at the same rate from the disease as those so-called Christians. The Crusaders led by the Christian church invaded some of middle-east cities and slaughter a lot of the inhabitants including women and children in the name of God.

It is also wrong for contemporary Christians  to over-compensate the bloodily past of the church by blindly opposing the death penalty. It is a fact that the death penalty was decreed by God to Moses in the Old Testament and not forbidden in the New Testament. In fact, God even carried out the death penalty of a couple who lied to the Holy Spirit ( The Acts 5:1-10) and of a king who committed blasphemy (The Act 12:20-23). God had even carried out the death penalty on a grand scale in the great flood. So those who oppose the death penalty in the name of God have no basis at all  and they merely do it out of their own ignorance and self-righteousness.

It is ironic that countries that abolish the death penalty still keep an army with lethal weapons and even weapon of mass destruction. Based on their naive reasoning, soldiers of these countries should never shooting back at the invading soldiers with lethal weapons because it is "murder against murder" as they say. Even if we assume these countries will not use their nuclear weapons to invade another country, it would still be "murder" if it is used for retaliating an unprovoked nuclear attack. The fact is that the leader of these countries are not stupid enough to destroy their lethal weapons because they know that their readiness to use those weapon can deter invasion by another country. If we live in a perfect world with no wars and murders, we don't need lethal weapons and the death penalty. But too bad we don't live in a perfect world, so we need both. 

For those who oppose the death penalty and have a beloved family, I would like them to be honest with me. If a vicious gangster has broken into your house and raped your beloved daughter at gun point in front of you and then murdered her by shooting her in her head and he is about to murder your beloved spouse as well with the gun, at that critical moment you were able to get close enough to get a gun from a concealed place while he was not watching you, will you use it to shoot the gangster to death knowing that if you don't give him a fatal shot, he will still be able to shoot your spouse and you to death? If you answer is yes, you are a hypocrite to say that you are against the death penalty because you are the executioner. If your answer is no, you are a cold-blooded monster no better than the gangster whose life you spared in favor of your spouse's. What if you were able to get hold of your concealed gun only after the gangster has fired a fatal shot at your spouse as well and he is about to escape because he heard the police siren approaching and he didn't realize you had a gun. Will you still shoot at him? If your answer is yes, again you are a hypocrite because you might "murder" him with the gunshot. If your answer is no, you are a cold-blooded  idiot who intelligence is so low that you would rather let the vicious murderer get away with the gun still in his hand (which by the way was still self-defense according to the law if you shot at him because he might turn around and shot at you before leaving the door) and possibly committing more murders later including you as the victim than give him what he deserved.

Of course, for vicious murders who have nothing to lose, they can say whatever they want, it means nothing at all. If a murderer opposes the death penalty it is understandable. It doesn't mean he has become a saint who really cares about the lives of his victims.

As I said before, clemency should only be given to truly reformed convicts with the consent of the victim's family. Neither is the case with Stanley "Tookie" Williams. Why are some people so blind to see that  Stanley "Tookie" Williams is still a vicious person who has no love and concern for people of any other race other than black even though I have shown everybody the proof? Even though Adolf Hitler loved his own race and he was considered by the Germans to have great contribution  for the German youths, he was still a war criminal who deserved to die for the horrendous crime he had committed against people of other races even though he had never fire a shot at any of his victims. Stanley "Tookie" Williams' insidious teachings of hatred towards law enforcement officers and lacking of love and concern for people of other races is not a recipe for peace. If he is granted clemency, he will be able to lure more unsuspecting black youths into his world of violence against people of other races. When Stanley "Tookie" Williams is executed for his crimes of murder, it will show people a convincing example that if you murder somebody, you will be put to death for murder. It will not deter all murders but it will deter some at least.


If Stanley "Tookie" Williams messages were so great and so useful in deterring youth from gangs and crimes as his blind supporters claim to be, can they explain how come his so-called anti-gang message failed to reform his two sons? One of his sons is now in prison for murder and his other son has had several felony convictions and is now being wanted by the Fontana police for forcing a thirteen year old girl to commit sex act on him at gun point.

Since Stanley "Tookie" Williams cannot convince even his own sons to give up crime and violence with his so-called anti-gang message, it is preposterous for his blind supporter to insist that he is doing a good job in turning young people away gangs.

Yes, we  should forgive people who  truly repent. Stanley "Tookie" Williams is definitely not one of them.
 
I AGREE!!!!!
I say....put him to death. You are right, he could have gone a whole different direction in life but decided instead to form a GANG!!
 
I think it is ridiculous that Snoop Dogg would put time and effort into trying to stop Tookie's death....as you said....there are better role models in this world.
 
His legend lives on -UNFORTUNATELY!!!!!  No one can go from a cold blooded killer (for $122) to a born again anything!!!
 
Like Chris Rock would say....
You are not suppose to go to jail!!! or kill people..or do drugs.....
 
 
You can not respect someone who is EVIL, even if he thinks he has change!!!  Years of jail will CHANGE anyone!!!
 
Mr. Williams, which is a title of respect that he has abdicated, should not be granted clemency. There is no redeeming someone of his character. He was duly tried and convicted and sentenced, then pursued the appeals process and now it is time for him to be executed. It's really nice that he wrote books to discourage kids from doing what he did, join the organization that he founded or one like it, which have proliferated frighteningly and cost thousands of innocent lives as well as the lives of the gang members killing each other. If he were truly repentant he would want to be punished for the murders he committed by giving up his own life. That is the true lesson -- not anything he could say in his books! When kids read his books after he's dead, maybe it will sink in that there is no reprieve for such actions, drugs will kill you and others, and not everything can be forgiven just because one says he's sorry and has learned his lesson. Tough to accept but REAL.
 

Don't Be Deceived By Stanley "Tookie" Williams

Once in a while we would receive news that a convicted murderer repents what he did and becomes a reborn believer in God. Very often, the convicted murderer would use his apparent repentance and good behavior as grounds for clemency from the death penalty.

While I believe that  it is possible for a convicted murderer to truly repent his wrong-doings  and that the death sentence can be commuted with the consent of the victim's family, we must take a very critical look at every case of appeal for clemency on grounds of good behavior in jail because  the apparent good behavior can be a calculated act to achieve clemency rather than a transformation stemming from genuine repentance.

The high profile case of Crips co-founder Stanley "Tookie" Williams attract a lot of attention lately not only because the date of his execution for murdering four people during two robberies is getting close, but also because he had been nominated by a member of the Swiss parliament for the Nobel peace prize citing his work in turning young people away from gangs.

People are usually more prone to believe the  repentance of a convicted murderer when the convicted murderer and the people he appeals to share common grounds. For example, the Christian church are more likely to support clemency of a convicted murderer who claims to have become a Christian while in jail. (Ever heard of the Christian church supporting clemency of a convicted murderer who had become a Muslim or Buddhist while in jail?) Therefore, we must analyze the thoughts of the convicted murderer appealing for clemency impartially to discern if the apparent transformation is genuine or just a means to an end.

In Williams' website  www.tookie.com he  posted  two letters to incarcerated youth. In the first letter he emphasize the importance of self-education for the incarcerated youth, which is good advice. However, in the second letter, he exposes his real nature by comparing the correlation between prisoner and guard to that of slave versus master. Everybody knows that the slaves in America were not criminals. They were innocent victims captured by some devious and bigoted white people of that time for their selfish gains in slavery. Nowadays prisoners are people who have committed crimes including rapes and murders, so it is a big insult to Williams' ancestors who were victims of grave injustice when he has the audacity to put himself, a convicted murderer of four people during robberies, on the same pedestal as the slaves, who were innocent victims. By putting forward the deceiving comparison, Williams exults  himself and the criminals at the expense of his ancestors. Therefore, the second letter shows that Stanley "tookie" Williams is not genuine in repentance. He simply tries to exonerate himself and criminals like him with deceit instead of showing real remorse of  guilt. His approach would seem to work on some prisoners, but the apparent change would not be an entirely benign one because it doesn't have the element of real repentance and has the element of hatred towards people who uphold the law.

I  understand that our justice system still has lots of problems. People have been incarcerated for rapes they did not commit until proven innocent by DNA. People have  been put to death for murders but the real killer turned out after the execution. Police brutality towards the underprivileged. Treating drug addicts as criminals instead of sick people who need rehabilitation. Abuse of the three-strike law by convicting offenders who commit minor crimes to life imprisonment while rapists and even murderers can walk the streets after a few years in prison and then commit more heinous crimes. Yes, our justice system need to be improved and even revolutionized but certainly not according to the absurd doctrine of Stanley "tookie" Williams.

It is naive if not ignorant for anybody to think that it would help to turn young people away from gangs if Williams is awarded a Nobel peace prize for his apparent anti-gang message. Years ago in another country, a teenager I knew boasted to me that he had shoplifted some snacks from a convenient store. When I tried to convince him not to do that again saying that he might get caught and end up in jail, he said that he saw a reality TV show about shoplifting in which the reformed teenage offenders were interviewed and also featured a drama about a teenage shoplifter. He said that it is so cool to be on TV and that he wanted to be like the teenage shoplifter in the TV drama who now became a star. Headline like "Convicted murderer and Crips co-founder nominated for Nobel peace prize" undoubtedly would have the same adverse effect in the minds of some innocent teenagers.

So some people think that the billboard featuring Fifty Cents with a horn in one hand and a gun on the other with the message "Get Rich or Die Trying" delivers the wrong message to people and needs to be removed. I agree.  What if someone put up a billboard featuring Stanley "tookie" Williams  standing with four murder victims lying on the ground behind him? The victims have blood gushing out from gun shot wounds in their heads and Williams has thrown  the gun on the ground and holding  the award high  like a champion. It goes with the message "Hi, kids. My name is Tookie.  I am a surviving Crips co-founder, convicted murderer and now a Nobel peace prizewinner. Stay away from gangs. Peace ." Such obscenity should never be allowed either on billboard or in real life. Don't tell me that Stanley "tookie" Williams is innocent of murder. Besides the four brutal murders that he has been convicted, the blood of every innocent victim murdered in robberies by the gang that he co-founded is also in his hands.

The so-called apology Williams posts on his website further exposes his hypocrisy.  He did not apologize to any of the innocent people victimized or murdered by him and his gang members. And he only expressed cares to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality. So adult-on-adult  and adult-on-child brutality doesn't seem to bother him enough to be mentioned. A real man of peace would just say that he wants to struggle to end brutality in the streets. Why does he want to struggle to end black -on -black violence only? Only a racist like him would ignore the devastation his gang on people who are not black. A majority of the murder victim in hold ups in convenient stores and other businesses were people of other races like Hispanics, Chinese, Koreans, etc., who worked hard to support their families only to be murdered by the gang that he has created. By mentioning  that he wants to struggle to end black-on-black brutality only instead of to end brutality against people of all races, his  so-called apology tells us that his repentance is not genuine. Therefore his so-called apology is meaningless.

What ultimately exposes his un-repentance is that at the end of his so-called apology he wrote Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder.  A man who is truly sorry that he had co-founded a violent gang would only mention it early in the text and would not be brazen enough to use it as his title at the end of the text. It shows that deep in his heart he still hangs onto and feel proud of his gangster legacy. A truly repentant man would have titled himself as Reformed Crips Co-Founder or something that reflects his feeling of remorse.

It's still not too late for Stanley "Tookie" William to change his wrong ways of thinking and be a real man of peace. Remember, the Nobel peace prize does not  make a man of peace, but true love for people of all races does.

 
I am in complete agreement with your article. It is far better to support and praise those that have succeeded inmaking there lives better, than it is to glorify a unrepentent killer.
 
Thank you for having the courage and dedication to make the truth known.
 
in as much as i believe that people can change in their lives, i also believe that you must face the consequences for the choices that we make. it's all well and good to make a better life, but you cannot ignore the horrible things that were done before. you're not allowed to go"oops".
 
these people died because a young man looked for money to buy drugs and whatever else he needed, now an old man has to suffer the punishment. these people who died weren't given a chance. someone's mom, dad, uncle, aunt , and friend were erased from life.
 
now stanley,"tookie" williams has to face the same eraser, and on his voyage to the other side, maybe he'll run into his victims, and then maybe he can tell them why?
 
god bless him for trying to do some good before he dies, and to denounce gang life and violence. but the bottom line is the piper is here and he needs to be paid!!!!!!!